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CPC 30 years MegaDemo
France krusty - 25 August 2011 - 14:20:38 327 posts

I have a dream, seeing a good old megademo on my CPC for its 30 years old.
Atari community did that for the 20 years old of their machine: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=20584.
Why not CPC?!

Do you think we could do that ?
I think yes, if the project is not too ambitious. We have more than 2 years to do that, even if we only talk and say crap this year.

The aim would be to have one screen per group involved in the project.
Just for fun, not for competition, so the group must be able to do the screen on time!
No pb if there is no novelty, priority is to release something not too bad and not something really astonishing.


Do you think such kind of project is feasible (remember European megademo or all the dead project or time to release demo is art...) ?
What kind of constraints or obligations must be set in order to be sure to be able to do such megademo (size compressed, memory in cpc, framework functions and so on) ?



I see different ways to do that:
1. Almost nobody works on the project
we can load all the screens in memory and play them one after the other with one unique tune (one screen = one duration)
or only one screen is done with the cooperation of everybody

2. They are more than 3 or 4 groups to work on the demo
a. Each part is executed one after the other. When a part finish it returns to the framework which load the other one
b. Each part is selected from the menu. When a part finish it jumps to the menu (whatever is the menu, the cursor or character or selected demo must be at previous selected demo)


I think 2.a is the more realist one.
If we choose this solution, I may be able to manage the project.
If solution 2.b is chosen, I will not be able to code an interesting menu in time. Maybe Grim would agree to use the menu of virus or dia ?

In case of 2.a we can even play first the parts which seem old fashionned and after the parts which seem modern (ie. each group can provide two screens, or one screen of each category)

In my opinion it it the only one and last opportunity to work on a collaborative project.
There is no meeting demo since a lot of time ...
And all almost the demogroup are dying, and everybody will progressively have less time to consecrate to CPC


I am not ATC, if I speak of something, it is because if really want to see it alive
Tortuga Grim - 25 August 2011 - 14:22:04 521 posts
tl;dr
France krusty - 25 August 2011 - 14:23:50 327 posts
Did not know this experession ;)
Post corrected, the message was included several times ....
Tortuga Grim - 25 August 2011 - 15:01:10 521 posts
Funny, every time I read about a "Hey guys! Why not doing a new CPC megademo? Would be cool!", I also suddenly hear a very loud alarm sound and see a huuuuge and blinking red alert warning message saying "CONSISTENCY - EPIC FAILURE INCOMING!" :)
France krusty - 25 August 2011 - 15:42:30 327 posts
C'est sur que si tout le monde a autant de mauvaise volonté, c'est impossible ;)

Celà dit Eliot a toujours su faire des démos comémorative de meetings.
Là c'est la même chose, mais pour fêter les 30 ans du CPC et pas les 3 jours d'un meeting.
Je traduirais ce soir pour les anglophones

English tentative:
Of course, if everyone shows so few good will, it is impossible.
Here, it is the same thing, except we do not celebrate a meeting but the whole CPC life.
Eliot has always be able to produce meeting demos.
Tortuga Grim - 25 August 2011 - 15:46:07 521 posts
@Targhan: t'es dispo pour une guzgun 4 ? :)
France Beb - 25 August 2011 - 15:51:25 168 posts
Grimmy & Targhan : Arretez les demos humoristiques. Vous manquez de pratique dans les 2 domaines :)
France PulkoMandy - 25 August 2011 - 19:52:25 633 posts
I don't think Shinra is dead ? It's not even born yet ;)

Anyway, making a demo (1) with a single tune means a single musician. That's already excluding part of the scene, so not a really good idea.
Do we really need a "framework" ? Just load the bootsector (or some other sector on disk) of the demo and start over ?

Should we include the cuddly screens Tom&Jerry is working on since years ? That owuld at least fill the "old fashioned" part ?
France Beb - 25 August 2011 - 20:17:10 168 posts
All: On ne fait pas un projet motivé par des gens qui ne le sont pas. (c) OVF
Krusty s'interresse a vous, en vous proposant cela. Ca vous motive pas plus ?
Faudrait en etre fier...
France Hicks - 25 August 2011 - 22:36:09 459 posts
I suggested this idea to Beb some times ago: I was thinking of a main menu (case 2b of Krusty's post) with something like 5/6 parts (if we can't get 5/6 parts it's not a "megademo"). But we already had a lot of ideas and projetcs, then I forgot this one...
But I'm still interested. Not to do a "5-minutes-long-demo in the megademo" but just what we call a "onescreen". There is a lot of way to do onescreen, see ChainDemo, S&KOH, Ecole Buissonière or DTC. So, if the project is launched, be sure that Vanity will make a part for him! But it need more than 2 groups (Benediction/Vanity)...
France Targhan - 26 August 2011 - 08:33:45 238 posts
Excellent idea, but don't count on me on this one. I may find time to code again in mid-september, but if I have to code a demo, it will be a stand alone. Don't want the Gates To Delirium syndrom to hit once again :).
France Hicks - 26 August 2011 - 11:36:46 459 posts
Since the "2 months period" is finished and OVL didn't make his onescreen, it could be a great thing to report the "Vanity vs Overlanders" fight in this megademo... Or they can abandon now :)
Greece Optimus - 26 August 2011 - 11:40:17 334 posts
I really like the idea and there is enough time to participate. While it feels too overwhelming for me to start again coding a big demo, at least it might be easier and more fun to participate with single screens. I already have something in my mind.
France Beb - 26 August 2011 - 11:56:33 168 posts
Grim: You can release your "shadow of the beast Menu" for this incomming production ;)
Longshot: You can make a great "comeback". OneScreen it's your favorite field.
France krusty - 26 August 2011 - 12:54:36 327 posts
you are right optimus.
doing it for fun is the more important.

targhan too sad you cannot work on a little screen, even if it is not impressive...

it seems we can count on dirty minds, shinra, vanity and benediction.
what about gpa, overlanders, logon, batman group? or oldest or newest demogroups?

I ll try to write rules and constraints next month.
but, I'd like this project stays a scene project not a benediction project.
So the rules I'll write could be changed according to your remarks.
when everything will be clear in my minds, I 'll write a call for participation for the parts (one part per group), the menu, the fdc routs...

yes shadow of the best menu would be great, but grim seems to not like this project....
in my opinion 2,5 years gives enough flexibility to succeed in this project.
And if I not enough time to work on it, I'll ask to my children to replace me ;)
France Tronic - 26 August 2011 - 14:09:53 8 posts
Hello people,
>what about gpa...
I've just asked "Tahiti Bob" what he thinks about this project & i'm waiting for his answer.
>in my opinion 2,5 years gives enough flexibility to succeed in this project.
Well, i think it's not a bad idea to celebrate the 30 years old of the amstrad this way even if i agree a little bit with Grim about "epic fail" because do not forget that the end of the world is planned for 21th of december 2012...
So, in 2,5 years (wow ! march 2014 ?!) we will all dead :)
Friendly,
Tronic/GPA.
France Toms - 26 August 2011 - 22:15:37 272 posts
@Krusty: Count me in! And if ever the megademo failed, each ready part could always be released as a stand alone demo. So there's nothing to lose.
France krusty - 26 August 2011 - 22:48:24 327 posts
Marvelous! One of the youngest group will create a part!
I hope the oldest groups will bring there contribution too (by creating a new screen or finalizing old effects losts in old discs).
It will be a shame if historical groups do not take care to such project...
Greece voxfreax - 26 August 2011 - 22:50:19 223 posts
Great!
Now, the agreed to participate groups are:
1. Dirty minds;
2. Shinra;
3. Vanity;
4. Praline; and
5. Benediction.

@Targhan: I do not think that a demo of such a quality (like the GtD) is needed! It's the mentality that matters, and, pardon me if I am a pain in the ass, but Arkos MUST be a part of the 30yo CPC demo!
France CloudStrife - 26 August 2011 - 23:14:23 161 posts
Well, in two years, may be we can do something at shinra... but I'm not sure...

Cld, feignant même pour les trucs amusant depuis 1988.
France Hicks - 26 August 2011 - 23:17:50 459 posts
@Voxfreax: do you plan to work with Benediction and DirtyMinds? Adultery is bad :)
I read many times that "it's just for fun"... Why do you start with so little ambition? Try to do a killer part, there is so much ideas to released!
France CloudStrife - 26 August 2011 - 23:22:46 161 posts
For the "menu", if we have a lot, why not "a demo in which YOU are the hero" ? (Une démo dont vous êtes le héros in french, gamebooks in english)
(At the end of a demo you can make choice and we them go to a demo or an other and eventually be "killed" by a bad sector or something like that)
Greece voxfreax - 26 August 2011 - 23:31:51 223 posts
@Hicks: hehe! Indeed, adultery is bad, so I think that I will let this to Optimus' judgment :)
You're right; I say this phrase a lot of times... But, It's not that I start with such a low ambition; I really do the whole thing for fun while I also wanna preserve a high quality in my work... But, I understand the meaning of your comment... I agree that must get stricter with that BND members :)
France CloudStrife - 26 August 2011 - 23:36:55 161 posts
Hicks: We even have a Shinra logo by CeD and Voxfreax (but I don't know where it is :()
France Hicks - 26 August 2011 - 23:48:53 459 posts
I let Voxfreax explains this totally inacceptable attitude :)
France Hicks - 26 August 2011 - 23:49:57 459 posts
Idea: a CatArt would be nice.
Greece voxfreax - 26 August 2011 - 23:59:48 223 posts
@Cld: I can send it to you again! That's not a problem :)
@Hicks: OK, OK! I admit it! I am already addicted of dointog different logos/screens and manipulating the rest of the CPC scene! I am working on dispelling Vanity's myth.... muhahahahahaha :)
Greece voxfreax - 27 August 2011 - 00:02:13 223 posts
catArt can be done by Sly, who already mastered the whole thing ;)
France PulkoMandy - 27 August 2011 - 09:40:17 633 posts
@Cld: the logo is in my mailbox, no problem :)

As for the Shinra part... is BASIC allowed ? ;)
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