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CPC Power deleted ?
France eliot - 13 May 2010 - 16:48:56 254 posts
I think we (the CPC community) should keep the control of a CPC demo-archive like CPC POWER aims to do. AND we also have to feed the POUET site with our best and/or new releases.

The Iron's (fake or real?) threat to delete the CPC POWER site also prooves that we may have interest not to be dependant of the work of one person but to have community-opened project. For the moment, CPC POWER is a just-born project, defaults are known (french, impossible for a user to submit a demo or modify a demo-profile...) but evoultion is always possible. So, will CPC POWER stay a "2-persons project" or will it become a community-orientated project like POUET ?

To prevent despotic behaviours that could make important things like CPC WIKI, CPC GAMES to be lost , we could define a kind of "community-friendly label" that will guarrantee the donation of the arcihve, articles or other datas to the CPC community if a webmaster wants to stop his activities. It's what I personnaly guarrantee to do with my material and immaterial CPC things if I stop one day. (Not today!)

France Targhan - 13 May 2010 - 16:54:09 238 posts
Working fine, here. A joke from Iron ?
Canada NoRecess - 13 May 2010 - 16:58:01 412 posts
Personally, I don't care, CpcScene + Pouet covers all my demoscene (community) needs. And they are both big enough to not be removed due to immature reactions.
France Hicks - 13 May 2010 - 17:14:01 464 posts
One more time I agree with No Recess. CPCscene + Pouet are ok, and the advantage of Pouet is that it's a demoscene oriented website and not just CPC oriented. We can read a lot of comments, votes, informations about the demos, etc. I dont want to spend time to say the same things on the same prods, but on another website... We are here for doing CPC, not to fill the Internet, don't forget this!
France Targhan - 13 May 2010 - 17:27:08 238 posts
>We are here for doing CPC, not to fill the Internet, don't forget this!

People still have the right to make a website, I believe ? Some people don't produce anything on CPC, but participate to the CPC life by producing websites, database and such. You should not forget that.

And many old demos can't be found anywhere but on Grim's harddisc and CPCPower. I think legacy is important.
France CloudStrife - 13 May 2010 - 17:34:07 163 posts
I don't agree with you Hicks and NoRecess. CPC Power (can) have a great interest on the history side of the cpc demoscene.
We have a lot of creepy demo on CPC who have only an interest for there historical side. We have a lot of preview. And pouet are not the good website for speak about historical context of a demo.
But for this, it's need to be a more open project.
Canada NoRecess - 13 May 2010 - 17:41:30 412 posts
I simply don't understand why there is a need to absolutely try linking both CPCScene and CPC-demoscenehystorialstuff-Power !
Just place it in your bookmarks list in your nice browser and stop talking about this!
I don't want CPCPower because of its Web-UI, because of its comments-system, because of its prod notation.. and now overall because of the maintainers that don't get my respect thanks to the previous reactions.
Greece voxfreax - 13 May 2010 - 17:59:48 223 posts
Personally i agree with Eliot and CloudStrife. CPCpower is definitely not just filling the Internet in our case. Since, Grim's HDD died, some demos were impossible to find in other places (inc. Pouet). Here is what CPCpower tries to bridge...despite of being a French only site (i do not know even to order a beer in French!!!). As Targhan said: "Legacy is important!!!". Pouet is different and OF COURSE we have to share CPC releases with other sceners. This way we can get some more interaction within our scene as well (remember the ZX guys :).

Regarding CPCpower, perhaps a more open project would be ideal (even if I am not going to participate). This way nobody relies to none and if someguy of the admins wants to quit/ give up, he can do it without killing the whole community project (Remember CPCZone for example).
France CloudStrife - 13 May 2010 - 18:09:14 163 posts
NoRecess: "I simply don't understand why there is a need to absolutely try linking both CPCScene and CPC-demoscenehystorialstuff-Power !"
Nobody speek about linking CPCscene and CPC-Power ? Where do you read that ?
France Targhan - 13 May 2010 - 18:15:54 238 posts
And don't forget that Megachur/Iron CAN'T do everything they want, as their site is maintained by Kukulkan who did CPCGames. So the "opened blabla" stuff may not be doable by them.
France Hicks - 13 May 2010 - 18:23:31 464 posts
The best prods are already on Pouet. Others are just "historical things" without any interest to my mind. And why don't you add the missing prods to Pouet?
I know that CPCscene prefer past to present&future, it's the new fashion, to spend a lot of time to put past on Internet instead of creating new stuffs. So don't complain if people don't help you or post comments, Pouet was here before CPC Power, I suppose that nobody want to say two times the same things!
France eliot - 13 May 2010 - 20:23:49 254 posts
POUET is sadly full of broken links even for master-pieces like Painting Fantasy. Yes, we can fill POUET with RELIABLE LINKS on RELIABLE HDD and MIRRORS... :) Nobody is free from hardware-failure or hacks. Just remember the Nectarine Radio's hack or the Grim's HDD crash.

I just imagine CPC POWER (or any replacing website if deleted) with the main function of file storage (real archive). POUET is a good place to expose the CPC scene current (in)activity with the comments. CPC POWER (or any replacing webite) and POUET have definitly not the same function.

I'm probably an unique case but sometimes I need for me or to show to other people to get some "historical things" without any interest to Hicks' mind. ;)
France Megachur - 16 May 2010 - 18:51:34 37 posts
C'est quoi ce délire ?

Nothing will be deleted in cpcpower demos website ?! why do you said that ?
The design of the site has been reseted by the admin (Kulkukan) by my request.
A new gfx artist is working hard to give a new image of this website.
Also, we can add user to add information directly to the database... Ask Kulkukan !!! The interface is nice to use and mouse & keyboard friendly for old man like us !

Nice to see other contributors !

Talk to us before do another database of cpc demos ! I'm and Kulkukan is open to discussion !

Thanks in advance !

NOTA : And Eliot -> Finaly, Have you do the 5p 1/4 dump with the 5p 1/4 drive I've send you 4 years ago ? :-)
France eliot - 16 May 2010 - 22:50:47 254 posts
I've only opened this topic to continue the discussion started in the last posts of another topic ( http://cpcscene.untergrund.net/index.php?action=posts&category=0&id=53&page=1 ) not to continue off-topic talks... ;)

With the evolutions you announced, is the integration of english-language planned ?

Yes, I've dumped the rare interesting 5.25 discs when I had free time. Very few game were sent to CPC-GAMES and the demos and discmags to CPCSCENE (Contrast Slide Show, Bubble Gum 2...). I think we could find treasures in a so big disc compilation, but sadly not really. A good surprise to notice that the 5.25 discs and also your drive (I only need to repair a solder) are reliable 20 years later.
Greece Optimus - 17 May 2010 - 00:06:37 337 posts
Yes we need a CPC archive site. Someone says CPC scene and Pouet is enough, but Pouet doesn't have any space for uploading those demos, so they are linked from external sites. We first of all need sites like CPC-Power for the archive and then also as a historical database. But it's the stable demo archive in mind that is needed or also links to demos from Pouet and other sites will be broken anyway.

Oh, btw,. I just realized that I still keep this demolist that I created years ago from ftp.lip6 and others, so if a demo is missing and you can't find it, might be there. I had this nice list with reviews too. The site is soooo old and I am rarely having time to build sites these days and don't know what to do with the old cpc site. I don't know if I plan to continue it and how (cpcscene and cpc-power and few other more covers the need now and I may not have to make yet another site :) Maybe just write some new reviews for the latest good stuff I didn't cover? I'll see about that..
France Megachur - 17 May 2010 - 09:41:08 37 posts
CPCdemo is english too -> you just have to contribute to complete the information !
Become an editor or send information or file to the actual contributor (me for example) !
Come on !
@Optimus : I've included all the demo is your demolist I think (I will check to be sure) and I can include your review to cpcpower demos site...just tell me if it's ok for you ! Also you can become an editor and make it yourself in cpcdemos too ! ;-)
France Megachur - 17 May 2010 - 09:48:13 37 posts
@optimus : an example of adding your review to a demo card : http://www.cpc-power.com/cpcdemos/index.php?page=detail&num=143
Tortuga Grim - 27 June 2012 - 15:31:34 521 posts
Sooo... What's up doc?
Greece Optimus - 27 June 2012 - 16:20:39 337 posts
I.. just realized.
France MacDeath - 27 June 2012 - 17:37:07 180 posts
Holy shyte I wasn't hallucinating...
the "Demo" part of CPCpower doesn't exist no more ?

WTF ? it was a nice site... I hope some backup exist somewhere.
Greece voxfreax - 27 June 2012 - 17:55:18 223 posts
if you type in your browser http://www.cpc-power.com/cpcdemos/, then the following message appears: WARNING : CPCDemos move in CPCSofts

...still I can't find any demo!
France PulkoMandy - 27 June 2012 - 18:04:16 633 posts
They are merging it with CPCSofts as a single website with everything yes.
I guess it may take some time before everything is merged and available online ?
France MacDeath - 27 June 2012 - 19:21:46 180 posts
ok so it is jsut a transition, ouf...
France eliot - 28 June 2012 - 18:17:41 254 posts
Demos are back on CPC-POWER. One intereting thing is the "transverse" database: a graphist can be found for his demos and also his game, like rexbeng.
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